Friday, February 22, 2013
Refuting the claim using Jesus's reply to the thief that there are now saints in heaven
Catholic Apologetics use this verse to prove that the saints are now in heaven.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
REFUTATION:
If this is true, It will imply that Lord Jesus went to paradise with the thief after His body died on the cross.
But after Jesus died, He went to the prison of spirits as mentioned in 1 Peter 3:18-19.
When Jesus said those words, It does not mean on that day he was crucified, The thief will go to paradise with Christ.
He said it TODAY that the thief will go to paradise BUT NOT ON THE DAY ITSELF.
We must remember that all dead servants of God will be raise by Lord Jesus on the last day as mentioned in John 6:44.
THE STRONGEST PROOFS THAT THERE ARE NO SAINTS YET IN HEAVEN ARE:
A) St. Paul said that no any dead saints will go first to paradise
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
In these verses, it say that similar fate like of Lord Jesus Christ will happen to the dead servants of God.
They need to in the tomb and then they will be raise too.
B) All dead saint did not receive the promise
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
The promise is the eternal life
1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
C) Lord Jesus will prepare for them first a place for his servants and He will return to take them where He originally came (the paradise)
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
The basis of Original Sin in Isaiah 48:8
Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.(Isaiah 48:8)
THE RIGHT ANSWER OR REFUTING THE FALSE INTERPRETATION: Catholic Apologetics interpret that a sin is inherited from parents using this verse that is why it is needed to baptize the baby from a Catholic family.
We must remember that God's word should not contradict another word came from God as mentioned in Proverbs 8:8.
The Catholic private interpretation of the Isaiah 48:8 is not true anymore because there is a verse telling that a little children especially babies will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
We must remember that evil people will not inherit God's kingdom in this verse below.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
It means that little children are righteous in the eyes of God. it is impossible that there is already sin with them.
In the Bible, houses and riches are inheritance from parents and not the sin.
Proverbs 19:14 House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.
In fact, Sin cannot be inherited by a child from his parent.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
In fact, not all children of Israel were transgressors from the womb
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
We now proved that the Catholic Apologetics interpretation that a sin can be inherited from sinful parents is wrong.
THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION OF THE VERSE:
Why did God say this verse?
This only pertains to the children of Israel who worships idols.
Isaiah 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.
Why did God say that they were called trangressors from the womb?
It is because their fathers did not hear God's commandments. read the verse below:Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Since their fathers did evil in the sight of God, their children too did the same thing. they were descendants of them.
It is already from the verse of Isaiah 48:8 below!
"For I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously,"
THAT IS THE REASON WHY THERE WERE CALLED TRANSGRESSOR FROM THE WOMB.
But but not all the children of the idol worshipers will do the same thing. in fact read this verse below.
THE FATHER
1 Kings 15:Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah.
1 Kings 15:2 Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.
1 Kings 15:3 And he walked in all the sins of his father, which he had done before him: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father.
THE SON
1 Kings 15:8 And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 15:11 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.
The verses below will be the greatest proof that sin cannot be inherited from parents to their child.
In the Bible, only houses and inheritance will be inherited as mentioned in Proverbs 19:14.
In fact, God made men from the start upright and not evil. read below:
Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
It was men who wants evil in their lives.
Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The Day when Jesus died on the cross
The belief of the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ died on Friday is unbiblical? why? because it is clear that Jesus himself said that:
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So Jesus Christ's body should be at the tomb within 3 days.
If Jesus died on Friday, he should be resurrected on Monday.
n the Bible, We must remember that Lord Jesus Christ resurrected before the sun rises on Sunday.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
So Jesus Christ resurrected before Saturday evening in Gregorian measure of time. How could I say that?
John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
First, the Jews want to bury the Lord's body before sunset which is the start of a new day in the Jewish measurement of time.
John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
So the first whole day should Jesus' body
should remain in the tomb is on Thursday in the Gregorian measure of
time and then Saturday is the third day should Jesus Christ's body
remain in the tomb.
Meaning Lord Jesus died on 3:00 in the
afternoon and buried in the afternoon before the sunsets on the day of
Wednesday so Jesus' prophecy according in Matthew 12:40 that his body
should remain the tomb for 3 days is accurately fulfilled here. (Pls. look below how it happened)
Wednesday daytime - not counted
Wednesday night time - 1st night
Thursday day time - 1st day
Thursday night time - 2nd night
Friday day time - 2nd day
Friday night time - 3rd night
Saturday day time - 3rd day.
If some will say that Lord Jesus died on Thursday, well let's count if it will be accurately correct according in Matthew 12:40:
Thursday day time - not counted
Thursday night time - 1st night
Friday day time - 1st day
Friday night time - 2nd night
Saturday day time - 2nd day
Saturday night time - 3rd night.
See, it is inaccurate. there is less
one day in the counting and clearly, Jesus stayed in the tomb for 2 day
times only and not 3 days according to Matthew 12:40
If some will say that Lord Jesus died on Friday, well let's count if it will be accurately correct according in Matthew 12:40:
If some will say that Lord Jesus died on Friday, well let's count if it will be accurately correct according in Matthew 12:40:
We must now answer the Catholic Church's
false teaching that the reason why it is Friday was the day our Lord
Jesus died it is because after that day is the Sabbath being mentioned
in this verse:
John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
We must remember that Jesus died on 3:00 PM in the Gregorian measure of time and 6:00 PM is the start of the new day in the Jewish measure of time.
This is where the Unholy Roman Catholic Church got its conclusion that the Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31 is Saturday so Jesus Christ died on Friday. This is wrong! That Sabbath was high o great. this is not ordinary Sabbath.
In the Bible, There are many Sabbaths where Jewish people should not do work on that day. so almost all people are wrong that they believe that the only Sabbath in the Bible is the weekly Saturday Sabbath.
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
So the question is if the Sabbath in John 19:31 is not the ordinary Sabbath for short the weekly Sabbath of Saturday. WHAT IS THAT SABBATH THAT WAS HIGH?
We must remember that Lord Jesus was crucified on Passover.
John 18:39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
So what is the Sabbath that was high or great in John 19:31 after the Passover which it always happen on the 14th day of the 1st Jewish month of Nisan (Leviticus 23:5)?
Leviticus 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Leviticus 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
So that Sabbath that was high or great mentioned in John 19:31 is the 1st day of the 7 days where Jews should eat unleavened bread. that great Sabbath always happen on the 15th month of the 1st Jewish month of Nisan.
A Catholic idol's jewelry was stolen
FROM: http://friendly.ph/videochannel/34391/bp-imahe-ng-birheng-maria-sa-lapulapu-city-ninakawan-ng-alahas/
It says here ON THE LINK ABOVE that the jewelry of the image of Virgin Mary in Lapu Lapu City in the province of Cebu, Philippines was robbed by thieves (Translating ror Non Filipino readers who cannot understand the Tagalog Filipino language)
So the verse in the Catholic book of Letter of Jeremiah (which cannot be found in the Protestant Bible) fulfilled this verse.
Chapter 1:57 gods made of wood and overlaid with silver and gold are not able to save themselves from thieves and robbers.
Mary is the supreme god in the Catholic Church
Nihil Obstat: Artemio G. Casas
Imprimatur: Mons. J. Jovellanos
But consider this image that God ordered tbe children of Israel to build (Catholic Apologetics is using this as an alibi for the Catholic worship of graven images which is an abomination to God BUT THIS IMAGE IS CANNOT BE FOUND ON THE CHURCHES AND THIS IS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT)
1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
1 Samuel 6:20 And the men of Bethshemesh said, Who is able to stand before this holy LORD God? and to whom shall he go up from us?
Even a man who came near the Ark was killed
2 Samuel 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
2 Samuel 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.
See all people died who either have come near and hold the Ark or look into the Ark!
This proves that the Catholic image is not blessed by God or He allows men to build it.
In fact, God does not want us to make images. read the Torah verses below:
Deuteronomy 16:21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the LORD thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.
It says here ON THE LINK ABOVE that the jewelry of the image of Virgin Mary in Lapu Lapu City in the province of Cebu, Philippines was robbed by thieves (Translating ror Non Filipino readers who cannot understand the Tagalog Filipino language)
So the verse in the Catholic book of Letter of Jeremiah (which cannot be found in the Protestant Bible) fulfilled this verse.
Chapter 1:57 gods made of wood and overlaid with silver and gold are not able to save themselves from thieves and robbers.
Mary is the supreme god in the Catholic Church
"My brethen and my fellow men you made.
Have mercy my Mother to you here wishing to worship you, honor and
praise you with whole love to all things because you are MERCIFUL GOD
and MOST POWERFUL OF ALL."
From the book named ANG AKING BIRHENG TAGAPAMAGITAN p.63
From the book named ANG AKING BIRHENG TAGAPAMAGITAN p.63
Nihil Obstat: Artemio G. Casas
Imprimatur: Mons. J. Jovellanos
But consider this image that God ordered tbe children of Israel to build (Catholic Apologetics is using this as an alibi for the Catholic worship of graven images which is an abomination to God BUT THIS IMAGE IS CANNOT BE FOUND ON THE CHURCHES AND THIS IS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT)
1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
1 Samuel 6:20 And the men of Bethshemesh said, Who is able to stand before this holy LORD God? and to whom shall he go up from us?
Even a man who came near the Ark was killed
2 Samuel 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
2 Samuel 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.
See all people died who either have come near and hold the Ark or look into the Ark!
This proves that the Catholic image is not blessed by God or He allows men to build it.
In fact, God does not want us to make images. read the Torah verses below:
Deuteronomy 16:21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the LORD thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.
Claimed Sacred Images of Catholics are abominable idols part 1
Letter of Jeremiah
Chapter 1:[8] Their tongues are smoothed by the craftsman, and they themselves are overlaid with gold and silver; but they are false and cannot speak.
[9] People take gold and make crowns for the heads of their gods, as they would for a girl who loves ornaments;
[10] and sometimes the priests secretly take gold and silver from their gods and spend it upon themselves,
[11] and even give some of it to the harlots in the brothel. They deck their gods out with garments like men -- these gods of silver and gold and wood,
[12] which cannot save themselves from rust and corrosion. When they have been dressed in purple robes,
[13] their faces are wiped because of the dust from the temple, which is thick upon them.
Proof that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon in Revelation 17
We must remember that St. John received his vision from Lord Jesus Christ.
All of Christ's teachings are spiritual as mentioned in John 6:63.
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. "
It means the Woman in Revelation 17:18 is not a physical great city but it SYMBOLIZES OF A FALSE RELIGION!
And the Vatican is the only city on earth where kings of the earth subject to Rome which is the center of Catholicism.
This is the proof that the Woman in Revelation 17 who is the Whore of Babylon. A PICTURE
See! It fulfilled what was mentioned in Revelation 17:4.
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: "
The purple and the scarlet or red are the colors of the Catholic clergies' outfit.
All of Christ's teachings are spiritual as mentioned in John 6:63.
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. "
It means the Woman in Revelation 17:18 is not a physical great city but it SYMBOLIZES OF A FALSE RELIGION!
And the Vatican is the only city on earth where kings of the earth subject to Rome which is the center of Catholicism.
This is the proof that the Woman in Revelation 17 who is the Whore of Babylon. A PICTURE
See! It fulfilled what was mentioned in Revelation 17:4.
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: "
The purple and the scarlet or red are the colors of the Catholic clergies' outfit.
Saturday, February 16, 2013
Refuting John Guest for not believing in Sola Scriptura
*If the Bible is the final or sole authority, then why did it take the Church to formalize a set Canon of Scriptures, since the Bible is silent on such a thing? The statement that the Canon is made simply by Christ and the Apostles quoting from books is a fallible one, because some that they do not quote directly from with "It is written" are Esther, Song of Songs, and Ecclesiastes. Yet some apocryphal books are mentioned or quoted: the Book of Enoch (Jude 14-15), the Assumption of Moses (Jude 9), and the Epistle to the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16).
MY RESPONSE: But still It was written by these people. Dont you know that Christ himself said this? John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
*Sola Scriptura is very different among different churches. For Lutherans, Sola Scriptura is radically different from what it is to Baptists. For Baptists, it is a bit different from what it is to Pentecostals. For Pentecostals, it is very different from what it is to Methodists. On top of that, Sola Scriptura can be used both by conservative and liberal churches, each claiming they go by what the Bible literally says. In my conversations with Fundamentalists, the have told me there is no such thing as a true or infallible Church, but only what the Bible says and does not say; hence, the status of a person or church being doctrinally sound depends on their interpretation of the Bible. So, can a church go from doctrinally sound to unsound or vice versa? Apparently so; many churches become 'pro-choice' while many other become pro-life; others go from low church liturgy to high church liturgy. There are over 33,000 denominations claiming they interpret the Bible infallibly and cling to Sola Scriptura. I ask many, which is the true biblical church? Not one has answered me this; one answered, "I personally think..." Unfortunately, when we explain that we disagree with Sola Scriptura, many get the assumption that we hate the Bible and do not believe that the Bible has everything we need for edification in the faith. The reason we disagree with Sola Scriptura is because it is an attempt to interpret the Bible for oneself independent of the authority of the Church; it is because this doctrine allows for one to interpret what they say is or is not in the Bible instead of what necessarily is or is not in the Bible.
MY RESPONSE: Agree it is because the Scriptures should be interpreted by your own explanation. you should find the answers on the Scriptures itself. That is why the Lord said to SEEK YE THE BOOK OF THE LORD (read Isaiah 34:16) For example, you read in the New Testament that to beware of dogs (read Philippians 3:2). now since the Lord said to seek the Book of the Lord, what are the dogs being mentioned in the New Testament that Christians should be beware of? The answer is you can read at Isaiah 56:11 (Shepherds who cannot understand)
*I have talked with Fundamentalists who say, "Sola Scriptura is what Jesus and the apostles taught." Really?! They back this up with the fact that they quote from books in the Bible with authority, saying, "It is written." They ignore how many times Christ spoke in parables, things which were not written in the Old Testament books. Quoting from the Bible is useful, since the Bible is an extremely sourceful and reliable book -- and is inspired or 'breathed by God' [theopneustos] (2 Timothy 3:16) -- but that does not mean the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura) is authoritative. They completely ignore that the Bible itself does not give itself sole authority, yet it says that the Church is the 'pillar and foundation of truth' (1 Timothy 3:15). Our Lord told His Apostles that one should "tell the Church" and "if he refuses to listen even to the Church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or tax collector" (Matthew 18:17). This verse indicates the authority of the Church as given by Christ Himself, who is the husband of the Church (Ephesians 5:23) and has founded His Church upon the Apostles (Ephesians 2:20). The foundation of the Church upon the Apostles means that this power is transfered from the Apostles to their successors: priests, bishops and popes. They have the power of 'binding and loosing' (Matthew 18:18), meaning they have the power of excommunication and absolution, but also of interpreting Scriptures according to the authority of the Church. Jesus told the disciples and Apostles everything that the Old Testament that spoke about Jesus, then this was transfered through oral tradition from the Apostles to the other Christians: e.g. Saint Philip was ordained as a deacon of Jerusalem by the Apostles (Acts 6:5-7), they taught Philip the word of God [orally], who taught it orally to the Ethiopian eunuch and he interpreted Isaiah 53 for him (Acts 8:26-35). This expresses the authority of the early Church in the apostles, presbyters, bishops and evangelists; this power is transfered from them to today's clergy; something called Apostolic Succession [see more later].
MY RESPONSE: Well I can prove it that we should read and believe to what is written in the Scriptures:
Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
AND ALSO THIS ONE:
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
AND ALSO THIS ONE:
It is written also and prophesied that our Lord Jesus Christ will be speaking in parables:
Why our Lord Jesus Christ needed to speak in parables?
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
*If
there was not an official Canon of Scriptures until the late 4th
century, then how could the Church go by the Bible alone? The books now
called divinely inspired are authentic books: the Holy Spirit has
guided the Church since the beginning to determine this, yet the Church
highly relied on Apostolic Tradition [see more later]. We are told to
hold fast to the traditions we were taught "either by oral statement or
by a letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15). One may use many Scripture verses
[as I do], but as long as one's interpretation does not contradict
that of the Church.
MY RESPONSE: You cannot read in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 that It was not soon written by someone all the oral teachings of Apostle Paul. He speaks only of what had been delivered to them by himself, whether orally or by letter; not of what was delivered from one to another as from him.
besides, these oral teachings of Apostle Paul was soon written by the author of the Book of Acts and Luke.
In fact, this teaching of Lord Jesus Christ that Matthew, John and Mark never knew was known by Apostle St. Paul:
The
Catechism greatly explains the relationship between Sacred Scriptures
and Sacred Tradition: "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are
bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both
of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in
some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each
of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ,
who promised to remain with his own 'always, to the close of the age'"
(80).
MY RESPONSE: Not
all of the Catholic Church's Sacred Traditions are Biblical. one of
them is unbiblical and that is the so called Assumption of Mother Mary.
The rest are Biblical and you cant call them Tradition anymore since It is now part of the Scriptures.
The rest are Biblical and you cant call them Tradition anymore since It is now part of the Scriptures.
MY CONCLUSION: It is easy to claim for a man that his teaching is an apostle's teaching that was not written in the Scriptures. really?
Well
Don't you know Mr. Guest that the Berean Christians' reason to believe
on Apostle Paul's oral teachings it is because they have proven that it
was approved by the Scriptures too?
Acts
17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night
unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
So
the Scriptures which is now in the Bible today is the ONLY reliable
authority where we should get the basis on how to teach men of how to
worship and serve the Lord.
Since the Catholic Church always want to alibi Old Testament verses just to prove to the world that their paganic altar and worship is Biblical, Well I can throw verses that will prove that the Scriptures is the authority to teach men of how to fear God:
Since the Catholic Church always want to alibi Old Testament verses just to prove to the world that their paganic altar and worship is Biblical, Well I can throw verses that will prove that the Scriptures is the authority to teach men of how to fear God:
Deuteronomy
31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the
sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto
all the elders of Israel.
Deuteronomy
31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven
years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of
tabernacles,
Deuteronomy 31:11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
Deuteronomy
31:12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy
stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
Deuteronomy 31:13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
Deuteronomy 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
In
fact, By not reading and following the laws of God written on the Book
of the Lord is the source of mans' trangressions against God:
2 Kings 22:8 And Hilkiah the
high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the
law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and
he read it.
22:9
And Shaphan the scribe came to the king, and brought the king word
again, and said, Thy servants have gathered the money that was found in
the house, and have delivered it into the hand of them that do the work,
that have the oversight of the house of the LORD.
22:10
And Shaphan the scribe shewed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath
delivered me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king.
22:11 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.
22:11 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.
22:12
And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of
Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and
Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying,
Lord Jesus Christ is really right when he said this words:
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
That is why He wants us to read and follow of what is written in the Scriptures (read again Luke 10:25-28 and John 5:39)
Revelation 17:3 similar to images of Immaculate Conception & Virgin of Guadalupe Mexico
This is the image of Immaculate Conception and the Virgin of Guadalupe, Mexico if we will notice is the woman sitting in the Great Dragon or Old Serpent.
This was the vision of St. John that the Lord showed to him in the Pathmos Island.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a
woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
Who is this beast which the woman sat with 7 heads and 10 horns?
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
The beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is the Great Red Dragon.
Who is the Great Red Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns according in the Bible that the woman sat upon it?
Refuting Moses will accuse the Jews as claimed proof that saints are in heaven
ALIBI VERSE: John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
RIGHT ANSWER: Another private interpretation. how can Moses accuse them while he is dead?
Proof that he is dead read below:
Hebrews 11:23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Moses is one of the prophets of God right?
What did Paul say? are the prophets which are also saints too already now in heaven?
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
They did not receive the promise. WHAT IS THAT PROMISE according in the Bible?
1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
Now we already refuted that there private interpretation is really wrong.
The question now is How can Moses accuse the Jews as Jesus said?
Let's continue reading in the next verse.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Moses will accuse the Jews because he wrote about Christ.
It means that the way the Jews will accuse by Moses IS BY MEANS OF HIS WRITINGS.
The Jews believe in Moses by reading and believing in the Torah which he wrote as God instructed to him.
WE MUST REMEMBER THAT EVEN IS NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT, HE CAN BE SPIRITUALLY PRESENT IN HIS LETTER. (read below)
1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
So Paul is present with us even today in spirit by means of his letter.
the same way Moses is present with the Jews by means of his writings EVEN HE IS PHYSICALLY DEAD and PHYSICALLY NOT PRESENT.
This is how Moses will accuse the Jews by means of his writings because he had wrote about Christ.
We must remember that the commandment of God will be use to judge the people.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
So if the Jews rejected Christ, Moses spiritually by means of his writings will accuse them because he wrote about Christ.
Because It was the Spirit of Christ who taught the prophets.
"Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. " (1 Peter 1:10-11)
And It was Christ who sent the prophets.
Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Jesus Christ is the power and WISDOM of God in 1 Corinthians 1:24.
The reason why our Lord Jesus is the God of the holy prophets.
Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Friday, February 15, 2013
Refuting PETER THE ROCK Doctrine
The teaching that Peter was the rock upon which the church was built
surely came from either an ignorant mind, or a polluted one.
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I hate to base my explanation on grammar, because it is not what I believe as the bastion of truth, but simple knowledge in grammar may help us see the way to logical truth.
If Peter was the rock:
1. Then it should have been “thou art Peter, and upon you I will build my church”
2. Or “thou art Peter, and upon this rock, which is you, I will build my church”
3. Or “I say unto thee, that thou art Peter, a rock, and upon you I will build my church”
Aware of the way the Lord Jesus Christ constructed sentences throughout all His sessions of teaching, we will not, in our wildest dreams, think that the Lord Jesus has a propensity of ungrammatical and nonsensical statements.
Take for example the Sermon on the Mount.
MATTHEW 5:1-12
1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
The foregoing sermon can be considered scholarly constructed with utmost literary style and beauty.
No learned scholar can accuse the Lord Jesus Christ of speaking nonsensically nor ungrammatically at any instance in the Holy Scriptures!
Biblically speaking, Peter cannot be the rock upon which the church was built, simply because he was part of the church, built upon the foundation stone who is Christ.
EPHESIANS 2:20-22
21 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
The Apostles (one of whom was Peter) were built upon the foundation, Jesus Christ himself. There is no other foundation than Christ!
I CORINTHIANS 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
An erring human, even an apostle, cannot be a sufficient foundation of the universal institution of divinity, the church. The church must have an unshakeable foundation.
Somebody who cannot be affected by sin!
COLOSSIANS 1:23 (MKJV)
If indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard and which was proclaimed in all the creation under Heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister…
Something that can be shaken cannot be permanent.
HEBREWS 12:26-27
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Peter, as man, is prone to error and mistakes. The doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope is the successor of Peter, is infallible, ex-cathedra, is a great error- even greater error than the St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
When Benedict XVI proclaimed that limbo does not exist, it implied that all his predecessors were lying when they taught that children who were not baptized before death will go to limbo!
Believe on John Paul II and you will deny Benedict XVI, or believe on Benedict XVI and you will deny all the previous authorities of the Catholic Church. But I will believe on Peter, the true apostle, even if he committed mistakes, errors and sins in his decisions and actions, because he taught only what God wanted him to teach – no more no less!
THE ACTS 5:27-29
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Peter and the other apostles never taught any doctrine coming from their own thinking and inventions!
II PETER 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
JOHN 7:17-18
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
To this, I believe, Peter will say, “TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!”
AMEN!
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I hate to base my explanation on grammar, because it is not what I believe as the bastion of truth, but simple knowledge in grammar may help us see the way to logical truth.
If Peter was the rock:
1. Then it should have been “thou art Peter, and upon you I will build my church”
2. Or “thou art Peter, and upon this rock, which is you, I will build my church”
3. Or “I say unto thee, that thou art Peter, a rock, and upon you I will build my church”
Aware of the way the Lord Jesus Christ constructed sentences throughout all His sessions of teaching, we will not, in our wildest dreams, think that the Lord Jesus has a propensity of ungrammatical and nonsensical statements.
Take for example the Sermon on the Mount.
MATTHEW 5:1-12
1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
The foregoing sermon can be considered scholarly constructed with utmost literary style and beauty.
No learned scholar can accuse the Lord Jesus Christ of speaking nonsensically nor ungrammatically at any instance in the Holy Scriptures!
Biblically speaking, Peter cannot be the rock upon which the church was built, simply because he was part of the church, built upon the foundation stone who is Christ.
EPHESIANS 2:20-22
21 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
The Apostles (one of whom was Peter) were built upon the foundation, Jesus Christ himself. There is no other foundation than Christ!
I CORINTHIANS 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
An erring human, even an apostle, cannot be a sufficient foundation of the universal institution of divinity, the church. The church must have an unshakeable foundation.
Somebody who cannot be affected by sin!
COLOSSIANS 1:23 (MKJV)
If indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard and which was proclaimed in all the creation under Heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister…
Something that can be shaken cannot be permanent.
HEBREWS 12:26-27
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Peter, as man, is prone to error and mistakes. The doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope is the successor of Peter, is infallible, ex-cathedra, is a great error- even greater error than the St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
When Benedict XVI proclaimed that limbo does not exist, it implied that all his predecessors were lying when they taught that children who were not baptized before death will go to limbo!
Believe on John Paul II and you will deny Benedict XVI, or believe on Benedict XVI and you will deny all the previous authorities of the Catholic Church. But I will believe on Peter, the true apostle, even if he committed mistakes, errors and sins in his decisions and actions, because he taught only what God wanted him to teach – no more no less!
THE ACTS 5:27-29
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Peter and the other apostles never taught any doctrine coming from their own thinking and inventions!
II PETER 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
JOHN 7:17-18
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
To this, I believe, Peter will say, “TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!”
AMEN!
Jewish rabbis agree that praying for the dead is necromancy
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
ALIBI: In fact, he has not, because he at times has given it—for example, when he had Moses and Elijah appear with Christ to the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:3).
RIGHT ANSWER: This is a vision from God.
Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."
Besides why do you ask Lord Jesus Christ to follow the commandment in Deuteronomy 18:10-11?
The commandments of God are for people who do sin.
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jesus is sinless (1 Peter 2:22) and a true God (1 John 5:20) so you should not ask Him to follow the commandment in Deuteronomy.
We people are obliged to follow what God had commanded us to do. To follow his Laws.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
And one of this is not to consult the dead including praying to some of them.
Thursday, February 14, 2013
THE VATICAN'S OPEN HATRED AND DENIAL OF THE WORD OF GOD...
The Bible does not contain all the teaching of the Christian religion,
nor does it formulate all the duties of its members." The Faith of
Millions, pp. 153-154
"Now the Scriptures alone do not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe, nor do they explicitly enjoin all the duties which he is obliged to practice." The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 72
"Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible? No...because the Bible does not have everything God taught." A Catechism for Adults, Q. 1, p. 52
The Roman Church cunningly declares the Word of God is unable to educate the Christian regarding his or her lifestyle. The Vatican also claims the Scriptures are completely unable to direct the lost unto Salvation. However, the Word of God says quite clearly...
2 Timothy 3:15 - "For from thy infancy thou hast known the Sacred Writings, which are able to instruct thee unto salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus."
TSK TSK TSK !....
"Now the Scriptures alone do not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe, nor do they explicitly enjoin all the duties which he is obliged to practice." The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 72
"Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible? No...because the Bible does not have everything God taught." A Catechism for Adults, Q. 1, p. 52
The Roman Church cunningly declares the Word of God is unable to educate the Christian regarding his or her lifestyle. The Vatican also claims the Scriptures are completely unable to direct the lost unto Salvation. However, the Word of God says quite clearly...
2 Timothy 3:15 - "For from thy infancy thou hast known the Sacred Writings, which are able to instruct thee unto salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus."
TSK TSK TSK !....
The Bible is not a Catholic manufactured book
Catholics contend that the whole world is indebted to the Roman
Catholic church for the existence of the Bible. This is another of their
attempts to exalt the church as an authority in addition to the Bible.
It would seem unnecessary for the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God. However, it is an attempt to weaken the Bible as the sole authority and to replace it with their man-made church. If it is true that we can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church, doesn't that make the Catholic Church superior to the Bible? This is exactly what Catholic officials want men to believe. Their only problem is that their doctrine comes from their own human reasoning rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circle reasoning." They try to prove the Bible by the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and prove the church by the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it"). Such is absurd reasoning which proves nothing. Either the New Testament is the sole authority or it is not. If it is the New Testament, it cannot be the church, and if it is the church, it cannot be the New Testament.
The Catholic officials above claim that without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible; they argue that mankind can accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the Catholic Church which gathered the books and determined which were inspired. Surely the Catholic Church cannot claim that it gave us the Old Testament Scriptures. The Old Testament came through the Jews (God's chosen people of old) who had the holy oracles entrusted to them. Paul said, "What advantage then remains to the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision? Much in every respect. First, indeed, because the oracles of God were entrusted to them." (Rom. 3:1-2; see also Rom. 9:4-5; Acts 7:38).
The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth. The Septuagint Version was translated by seventy scholars at Alexandria, Egypt around the year 227 B.C., and this was the version Christ and His apostles used. Christ did not tell the people, as Catholics do today, that they could accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the authority of those who gathered them and declared them to be inspired. He urged the people of His day to follow the Old Testament Scriptures as the infallible guide, not because man or any group of men has sanctioned them as such, but because they came from God. Furthermore, He understood that God-fearing men and women would be able to discern by evidence (external and internal) which books were of God and which were not; thus, He never raised questions and doubts concerning the gathering of the inspired books.
If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
If the Bible is a Catholic book, how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible is a Catholic book, why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text?
The following list give a summation of what we have been trying to emphasize. If the Bible is a Catholic book,
Furthermore, in the proceedings of the Council of Hippo, the bishops did not mention nor give the slightest hint that they were for the first time "officially" cataloging the books of he Bible for the world. It was not until the fourth session of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) that the bishops and high ranking officials of the Catholic Church "officially" cataloged the books they thought should be included in the Bible and bound them upon the consciences of all Catholics. (See Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, pp. 17-18).
Secondly, God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today. A council of men in 390 with no divine authority whatever, supposedly took upon itself the right to state which books were inspired, and Catholics argue, "We can accept the Bible only on the authority of the Catholic Church." Can we follow such reasoning?
Thirdly, it cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo. In the following we list some of the catalogues of the books of the Bible which are given by early Christian writers.
Fourthly, the Catholic claim of giving the Bible to the world cannot be true because they have not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. Some of the most valuable Greek Bibles and Versions have been handed down to us from non-Roman Catholic sources. A notable example of this is the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in the monastery of St. Catherine (of the Greek Orthodox Church) at Mount Sinai in 1844 and is now in the British Museum. It contains all of the books of the New Testament and all but small portions of the Old Testament. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was made early in the fourth century, not later than 350 A.D. This manuscript found by a German scholar named, Tishendorf, who was a Protestant, and this manuscript which is the most complete of all has never been in the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.
Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine.
In the light of the foregoing, the boastful claim of the Roman Catholic Church that it has been the sole guardian and preserver of the sacred Scriptures down to the present, is nothing but pure falsehood. The Bible is not a Catholic book. Catholics did not write it, nor does their doctrines and church meet the description of the doctrine and church of which it speaks. The New Testament was completed before the end of the first century, A.D. The things in it do not correspond to the Catholic Church which hundreds of years after the death of the apostles slowly evolved into what it now is. The Catholic Church is not the original and true church, but a "church" born of many departures and corruptions from the New Testament church. Even if the Catholic Church could prove that it alone is the sole deliverer of the Scriptures to man today, it still remains that the Catholic Church is not following the Bible and is contrary to the Bible. Furthermore, even if the Catholic Church could show conclusively that it alone is responsible for gathering the books, it does not prove that the Catholic Church is infallible, nor does it prove that it is the author of the Bible. God has at times used evil agencies to accomplish His purpose (Jer. 27:6-8; 43:10; Hab. 1:5-11; John 11:49-52).
We have studied, therefore, that the Catholic Church argues that since one of its councils in 390 selected the sacred books, one can accept them only on the basis of its authority. We have answered by showing: (1) The Bible is inspired and has authority, not because a church declared it so but because God made it so. (2) Jesus did not teach the people in His day that they could accept the Old Testament Scriptures only on the basis of those who placed the books into one volume. (3) It is a mere assumption that the Council of Hippo in 390 was a Council of the church which is now the Roman Catholic Church. (4) God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His books only on the basis of councils. (5) The Catholic Church is not solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. (6) The Catholic Church has not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. (7) Even if it could be proven that the Catholic Church gathered the books into one volume, it still remains that it is not following the Bible today.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Knights of Columbus, (Fifteen Volumes), The Encyclopedia Press, Inc., New York, 1913.
Canons and Decrees of he Council of Trent, H.J. Schroeder, B. Herder Book company, St. Louis, London, 1950.
Lives and Times of the Roman Pontiffs, Chevalier Artand De Montor, D & J Stadler & Co., New York, 1869.
Question Box, Bertrand L. Conway, The Columbus Press, New York, N.Y., 1913.
Question Box, New Revised Edition, Bertrand L. Conway, The Paulist Press, New York, N.Y., 1929.
The Bible is a Catholic Book, Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.
The Faith of Millions, John A. O'Brien, Our Sunday Visitor, Huntington, Ind., 1938.
The Faith of Our Fathers, James Cardinal Gibbons, John Murphy Co., Baltimore, Md., 1917.
What is the Bible? W.H. Anderson, International Truth Society, Brooklyn, New York, 1962.
Who Gave the Bible to the People? Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.
Douay-Rheims Version, Catholic Book Publishing Co., New York, 1945.
Catholic Edition-Revised Standard Version, Published by Thomas Nelson & Sons Ltd for the Incorporated Catholic Truth Society, London, 1966.
By David J. Riggs
Catholics Assembled Canon?
Please notice the following from Catholic sources:
- "If she had not scrutinized carefully the writings of her children, rejecting some and approving others as worthy of inclusion in the canon of the New Testament, there would be no New Testament today.
- "If she had not declared the books composing the New Testament to be inspired word of God, we would not know it.
- "The only authority which non-Catholics have for the inspiration of the Scriptures is the authority of the Catholic Church." (The Faith of Millions, p. 145)
- "It is only by the divine authority of the Catholic Church that Christians know that the scripture is the word of God, and what books certainly belong to the Bible." (The Question Box, p. 46)
- "It was the Catholic Church and no other which selected and listed the inspired books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament...If you can accept the Bible or any part of it as inspired Word of God, you can do so only because the Catholic Church says it is." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 4).
It would seem unnecessary for the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God. However, it is an attempt to weaken the Bible as the sole authority and to replace it with their man-made church. If it is true that we can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church, doesn't that make the Catholic Church superior to the Bible? This is exactly what Catholic officials want men to believe. Their only problem is that their doctrine comes from their own human reasoning rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circle reasoning." They try to prove the Bible by the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and prove the church by the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it"). Such is absurd reasoning which proves nothing. Either the New Testament is the sole authority or it is not. If it is the New Testament, it cannot be the church, and if it is the church, it cannot be the New Testament.
Notice, again, the following from Catholic sources:
- "Because it never was a Bible, till the infallible Church pronounced it to be so. The separate treatises, each of them inspired, were lying, as it were dispersedly; easy to confound with others, that were uninspired. The Church gathered them up, selected them, pronounced judgment on them; rejecting some, which she defined and declared not to be canonical, because not inspired; adopting others as being inspired, and therefore canonical." (What Is the Bible? p. 6).
- "And since the books of the Bible constituting both the Old and the New Testament were determined solely by the authority of the Catholic Church, without the Church there would have been no Bible, and hence no Protestantism." (The Faith of Millions, p. 10).
The Catholic officials above claim that without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible; they argue that mankind can accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the Catholic Church which gathered the books and determined which were inspired. Surely the Catholic Church cannot claim that it gave us the Old Testament Scriptures. The Old Testament came through the Jews (God's chosen people of old) who had the holy oracles entrusted to them. Paul said, "What advantage then remains to the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision? Much in every respect. First, indeed, because the oracles of God were entrusted to them." (Rom. 3:1-2; see also Rom. 9:4-5; Acts 7:38).
The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth. The Septuagint Version was translated by seventy scholars at Alexandria, Egypt around the year 227 B.C., and this was the version Christ and His apostles used. Christ did not tell the people, as Catholics do today, that they could accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the authority of those who gathered them and declared them to be inspired. He urged the people of His day to follow the Old Testament Scriptures as the infallible guide, not because man or any group of men has sanctioned them as such, but because they came from God. Furthermore, He understood that God-fearing men and women would be able to discern by evidence (external and internal) which books were of God and which were not; thus, He never raised questions and doubts concerning the gathering of the inspired books.
If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
If the Bible is a Catholic book, how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible is a Catholic book, why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text?
The following list give a summation of what we have been trying to emphasize. If the Bible is a Catholic book,
- 1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
- 2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
- 3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
- 4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
- 5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
- 6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).
- 7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
- 8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
- 9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
- 10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
- 11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
- 12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
- 13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
- 14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
Please notice further quotes from Catholic sources:
- "During those early times parts of the Bible were scattered among the various churches, no one of which had the complete Bible as we have it now. Then in A.D. 390, at the Council of Hippo, the Catholic Church gathered together the various books which claimed to be scripture, passed on the merits and claims of each and this council decided which were inspired and which were not. The Catholic Church put all the inspired books and epistles together in one volume and THAT is the Bible as we have it today. The Catholic Church therefore gave to the people and the World, the Bible as we have it today." (From a magazine advertisement published by the Knights of Columbus bearing the title, "Who Gave the Bible to the People?"
- "It was not until the Council of Hippo in 390 that the Church gathered these gospels and epistles, scattered about in different churches, and placed them within the covers of a single book, giving the Bible to the world." (The Faith of Millions, p. 152).
- "Indeed, when you accept the Bible as the Word of God, you are obliged to receive it on the authority of the Catholic Church, who was the sole Guardian of the Scriptures for fifteen hundred years." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68).
- "When were all these writings put together? The Catholic Church put all of them in one book between the years 350 and 405." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10).
Furthermore, in the proceedings of the Council of Hippo, the bishops did not mention nor give the slightest hint that they were for the first time "officially" cataloging the books of he Bible for the world. It was not until the fourth session of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) that the bishops and high ranking officials of the Catholic Church "officially" cataloged the books they thought should be included in the Bible and bound them upon the consciences of all Catholics. (See Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, pp. 17-18).
Secondly, God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today. A council of men in 390 with no divine authority whatever, supposedly took upon itself the right to state which books were inspired, and Catholics argue, "We can accept the Bible only on the authority of the Catholic Church." Can we follow such reasoning?
Thirdly, it cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo. In the following we list some of the catalogues of the books of the Bible which are given by early Christian writers.
- 326. Athanasius, bishop at Alexandria, mentions all of the New Testament books.
- 315-386. Cyril, bishop at Jerusalem, gives a list of all New Testament books except Revelation.
- 270. Eusebius, bishop at Caesarea, called the Father of ecclesiastical history, gives an account of the persecution of Emperor Diocletian whose edict required that all churches be destroyed and the Scriptures burned. He lists all the books of the New Testament. He was commissioned by Constantine to have transcribed fifty copies of the Bible for use of the churches of Constantinople.
- 185-254. Origen, born at Alexandria, names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments.
- 165-220. Clement, of Alexandria, names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. In addition we are told by Eusebius, who had the works of Clement, that he gave explanations and quotations from all the canonical books.
- 160-240. Turtullian, contemporary of Origen and Clement, mentions all the New Testament books except 2 Peter, James and 2 John.
- 135-200. Irenaeus, quoted from all New Testament books except Philemon, Jude, James and 3 John.
- 100-147. Justin Martyr, mentions the Gospels as being four in number and quotes from them and some of the epistles of Paul and Revelation.
- Besides the above, the early church fathers have handed down in their writings quotations from all the New Testament books so much so that it is said that the entire New Testament can be reproduced from their writings alone.
Fourthly, the Catholic claim of giving the Bible to the world cannot be true because they have not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. Some of the most valuable Greek Bibles and Versions have been handed down to us from non-Roman Catholic sources. A notable example of this is the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in the monastery of St. Catherine (of the Greek Orthodox Church) at Mount Sinai in 1844 and is now in the British Museum. It contains all of the books of the New Testament and all but small portions of the Old Testament. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was made early in the fourth century, not later than 350 A.D. This manuscript found by a German scholar named, Tishendorf, who was a Protestant, and this manuscript which is the most complete of all has never been in the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.
Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine.
In the light of the foregoing, the boastful claim of the Roman Catholic Church that it has been the sole guardian and preserver of the sacred Scriptures down to the present, is nothing but pure falsehood. The Bible is not a Catholic book. Catholics did not write it, nor does their doctrines and church meet the description of the doctrine and church of which it speaks. The New Testament was completed before the end of the first century, A.D. The things in it do not correspond to the Catholic Church which hundreds of years after the death of the apostles slowly evolved into what it now is. The Catholic Church is not the original and true church, but a "church" born of many departures and corruptions from the New Testament church. Even if the Catholic Church could prove that it alone is the sole deliverer of the Scriptures to man today, it still remains that the Catholic Church is not following the Bible and is contrary to the Bible. Furthermore, even if the Catholic Church could show conclusively that it alone is responsible for gathering the books, it does not prove that the Catholic Church is infallible, nor does it prove that it is the author of the Bible. God has at times used evil agencies to accomplish His purpose (Jer. 27:6-8; 43:10; Hab. 1:5-11; John 11:49-52).
We have studied, therefore, that the Catholic Church argues that since one of its councils in 390 selected the sacred books, one can accept them only on the basis of its authority. We have answered by showing: (1) The Bible is inspired and has authority, not because a church declared it so but because God made it so. (2) Jesus did not teach the people in His day that they could accept the Old Testament Scriptures only on the basis of those who placed the books into one volume. (3) It is a mere assumption that the Council of Hippo in 390 was a Council of the church which is now the Roman Catholic Church. (4) God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His books only on the basis of councils. (5) The Catholic Church is not solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. (6) The Catholic Church has not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. (7) Even if it could be proven that the Catholic Church gathered the books into one volume, it still remains that it is not following the Bible today.
BIBLIOGRAPHY
A Catechism For Adults, William J. Conan, ACTA Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1959. Catholic Encyclopedia, Knights of Columbus, (Fifteen Volumes), The Encyclopedia Press, Inc., New York, 1913.
Canons and Decrees of he Council of Trent, H.J. Schroeder, B. Herder Book company, St. Louis, London, 1950.
Lives and Times of the Roman Pontiffs, Chevalier Artand De Montor, D & J Stadler & Co., New York, 1869.
Question Box, Bertrand L. Conway, The Columbus Press, New York, N.Y., 1913.
Question Box, New Revised Edition, Bertrand L. Conway, The Paulist Press, New York, N.Y., 1929.
The Bible is a Catholic Book, Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.
The Faith of Millions, John A. O'Brien, Our Sunday Visitor, Huntington, Ind., 1938.
The Faith of Our Fathers, James Cardinal Gibbons, John Murphy Co., Baltimore, Md., 1917.
What is the Bible? W.H. Anderson, International Truth Society, Brooklyn, New York, 1962.
Who Gave the Bible to the People? Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.
CATHOLIC TRANSLATIONS
Confraternity-Douay Version, Timothy Press, Chicago, 1959 Douay-Rheims Version, Catholic Book Publishing Co., New York, 1945.
Catholic Edition-Revised Standard Version, Published by Thomas Nelson & Sons Ltd for the Incorporated Catholic Truth Society, London, 1966.
By David J. Riggs
Catholics Assembled Canon?
- the Syriac and Coptic versions were translated from the Greek in the second century
- Latin Version was translated from Greek in the 2nd century in 375 the Gothic Version was translated by Ufilas
- Jerome stated that in his work of revising the Old Latin he used a Greek Bible which belonged to Origen who lived in the early part of the third century
- Constantine, the emperor of Rome, at the end of the third century, ordered fifty copies of the Bible transcribed
- Origen, born A.D. 185 and died A.D. 254, named all the books of the Bible in his writings
- Eusebius, 270 A.D., lists all of the books of the NT
- Cyril, 315 A.D. to 386 A.D., lists all NT books, except Revelation
- Both the Vatican Manuscript and the Sinaitic Manuscript date back earlier than 390 A.D.
A Catholic Defender said that Catholics can pray w/o any image
Read the statement I encircled in red.
If Catholics can worship w/o any statues to be use, I think the Catholic Church should implement on their worship service w/o the use of statues from now on.
In the Torah, it is forbidden to put any graven images near the Lord's altar:
Deuteronomy 16:21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the LORD thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.
What God ordered to make graven images in his temple are what the Spirit of God told to King David: (WHICH CANNOT BE SEEN INSIDE THE CHURCHES OF CATHOLICISM OF COURSE!)
1 Chronicles 28:12 And the plans for all that he had by the Spirit, of the courts of the house of the Lord, of all the chambers all around, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries for the dedicated things;
1 Chronicles 28:19 “All this,” said David, “the Lord made me understand in writing, by His hand upon me, all the works of these plans.”
These are:
1 Kings 7:25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. 7:29 And on the borders that were between the ledges were lions, oxen, and cherubims: and upon the ledges there was a base above: and beneath the lions and oxen were certain additions made of thin work. 7:36 For on the plates of the ledges thereof, and on the borders thereof, he graved cherubims, lions, and palm trees, according to the proportion of every one, and additions round about.
1 Chronicles 28:18 and refined gold by weight for the altar of incense, and for the construction of the chariot, that is, the gold cherubim that spread their wings and overshadowed the ark of the covenant of the Lord.
God really forbids his servants to make graven images especially to kneel down like can be seen on these pictures:
Leviticus 26:1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves;
neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves;
nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it;
for I am the Lord your God.In fact, putting a graven image even in a SECRET PLACE, God said to that man is BE CURSE!
Deuteronomy 27:15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
Jesus taught the Christians to worship God in Spirit (read John 4:24)
We do not need a graven image to be use in worshipping God.
BTW, God really hates it when the early Israelites used a graven image for the purpose to glorify God in a festival.
Nehemiah 9:16 “But they and our fathers acted proudly, Hardened their necks, And did not heed Your commandments.
Nehemiah 9:17 They refused to obey, And they were not mindful of Your wonders
That You did among them.But they hardened their necks, And in their rebellion
They appointed a leader To return to their bondage. But You are God, Ready to pardon,
Gracious and merciful, Slow to anger, Abundant in kindness, And did not forsake them.
That You did among them.But they hardened their necks, And in their rebellion
They appointed a leader To return to their bondage. But You are God, Ready to pardon,
Gracious and merciful, Slow to anger, Abundant in kindness, And did not forsake them.
What God can say about making graven images of male and female likeness like the Catholic statues?
Deuteronomy 4:16 Lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,
See, God said that they are CORRUPTED!
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